Difference between revisions of "A Business Economics View on EL"

From ELWiki
Jump to navigation Jump to search
 
(20 intermediate revisions by 4 users not shown)
Line 3: Line 3:
 
This guide will explain the basics for analyzing the cost-effectiveness of producing and harvesting stuff in EL.
 
This guide will explain the basics for analyzing the cost-effectiveness of producing and harvesting stuff in EL.
  
==Time is money==
+
== Time is money ==
 
+
Yes, it is. In EL you can convert time to money indirectly by harvesting stuff and selling it. One of the most efficient ways to do so is to harvest blue lupines in Portland and selling them at the flower shop. Depending on your harvesting level and maximum load you can make 3600 gc or even more in one hour.
Yes, it is. In EL you can convert time to money indierectly by harvesting stuff and selling it. One of the most efficient ways to do so is to harvest blue lupines in Portland and selling them at the flower shop. Depending on your harvesting level and maximum load you can make 3600 gc or even more in one hour.
 
  
 
'''That's why an EL second is worth at least 1 gc'''
 
'''That's why an EL second is worth at least 1 gc'''
Line 21: Line 20:
 
But wait, what about the XP we get?
 
But wait, what about the XP we get?
  
==Experience vs. Money==
+
== Experience vs. Money ==
 
 
 
Many items in EL sell less than the sum of their ingredients. This is because people make them for the XP. So can we express XP in time or money? Yes we can!
 
Many items in EL sell less than the sum of their ingredients. This is because people make them for the XP. So can we express XP in time or money? Yes we can!
  
Line 30: Line 28:
  
 
=== Fighting XP ===
 
=== Fighting XP ===
 
 
This heavily depends on how much XP you can make in one hour and how valuable are the drops vs. your losses on degrades.
 
This heavily depends on how much XP you can make in one hour and how valuable are the drops vs. your losses on degrades.
  
For a crude calculation, I assume I make 60 kXP in defense and 30 kXP in attack in one hour on polar bears and that the drops are 1k more worth then degrades/breaks.
+
For a crude calculation, I assume I make 60 kXP in defense and 30 kXP in attack in one hour on polar bears and that the drops are 1k more worth than degrades/breaks.
  
 
Then we have:
 
Then we have:
Line 39: Line 36:
 
   Time cost: 3600 sec = 3,6 kgc
 
   Time cost: 3600 sec = 3,6 kgc
 
   Drops - degrades =    1  kgc
 
   Drops - degrades =    1  kgc
 
+
 
 
   Cost per hour    =    2,6 kgc
 
   Cost per hour    =    2,6 kgc
 
+
 
 
   Att XP          =    30  kXP
 
   Att XP          =    30  kXP
 
   Def XP          =    60  kXP
 
   Def XP          =    60  kXP
Line 48: Line 45:
  
 
=== Harvesting XP ===
 
=== Harvesting XP ===
 
 
Assuming Excavator Cloak and harvesting level of 75:
 
Assuming Excavator Cloak and harvesting level of 75:
  
   Average harvest time of 1 mullein: 2,2 sec  
+
   Average harvest time of 1 mullein: 2,2 sec (minimum time is 2 sec, 10% more to consider events)
 
   Walk time for reselling 1 mullein:  0,2 sec
 
   Walk time for reselling 1 mullein:  0,2 sec
 
   Reselling in Irsis flower shop: 1 gc
 
   Reselling in Irsis flower shop: 1 gc
 
+
 
 
   Total cost: 1,4 gc
 
   Total cost: 1,4 gc
 
   Base XP: 45 XP
 
   Base XP: 45 XP
Line 68: Line 64:
  
 
=== Magic XP ===
 
=== Magic XP ===
 +
Using the good old shield spell:
 +
Mana cost    8,25 gc (assuming that the [[cooldown]] duration is used for something else)
 +
Ingredients  7    gc
 +
Time cost    0,25 sec
 +
 +
Total cost  15,5  gc
 +
Base XP      40    XP
 +
XP/gc        2,6
 +
or, as a better alternative, Life Drain (the time investment ist greater here because you must aim at your victim each time)
 +
Mana cost    15 gc (assuming that the cooldown duration is used for something else)
 +
Ingredients  15 gc
 +
Time cost      5 sec
 +
 +
Total cost    35 gc
 +
Base XP      120 XP
 +
XP/gc        3,4
 +
For both calculations I did not account for the time lost due to SR cooldown since I assumed this time is productively used for something (eg. harving or fighting)
 +
 +
=== Potioning XP ===
  
to be calculated by the ingreds and the time effort to level...
+
I tested making SR potions.
  
=== Potioning XP ===
+
  Ingredients cost:
 +
  100 bst            25 gc
 +
  50 bqu            80 gc
 +
  50 wine            38 gc
 +
  50 vials          275 gc
 +
  12 fps            168 gc
 +
  Time spent 2:43    163 gc
 +
 
 +
  Total cost        749 gc
 +
 
 +
  Selling value of produced SRs 705gc
 +
 
 +
At this excellent market price, potioning XP almost comes for free: 76 XP/gc
  
 
=== Summoning XP ===
 
=== Summoning XP ===
  
 
=== Manufacturing XP ===
 
=== Manufacturing XP ===
 
 
Also, the ability to make XP in a particular skill depends what level you are. If you just started with manufacturing, you have to make your XP with fur scarfs, later you can do leather helmets.
 
Also, the ability to make XP in a particular skill depends what level you are. If you just started with manufacturing, you have to make your XP with fur scarfs, later you can do leather helmets.
  
 
   1 fox fur + 1 thread = 1 scarf
 
   1 fox fur + 1 thread = 1 scarf
 
+
 
 
   Market cost of 1 fox fur: 8gc
 
   Market cost of 1 fox fur: 8gc
 
    
 
    
Line 86: Line 112:
 
   Mixing time: 1,75 sec = 1,75 gc
 
   Mixing time: 1,75 sec = 1,75 gc
 
   Selling them (45 sec run for selling 180 fox scarfs): 0,25 gc
 
   Selling them (45 sec run for selling 180 fox scarfs): 0,25 gc
 
+
 
 
   Sell price of a scarf (NPC): 10gc
 
   Sell price of a scarf (NPC): 10gc
 
    
 
    
Line 94: Line 120:
  
 
   3 leather + 4 thread = 1 helmet
 
   3 leather + 4 thread = 1 helmet
 
+
 
 
   cost for 3 leather: 14 gc
 
   cost for 3 leather: 14 gc
 
   cost for 4 thread: 8 gc
 
   cost for 4 thread: 8 gc
 
   time to walk to Trik, mix and sell: 3,2 sec = 3,2 gc
 
   time to walk to Trik, mix and sell: 3,2 sec = 3,2 gc
 
   included cost for food: 1,8 gc
 
   included cost for food: 1,8 gc
 
+
 
 
   critical failure rate 5% (at manufacturing level 39)
 
   critical failure rate 5% (at manufacturing level 39)
 
+
 
 
   average revenue (selling to Trik): 19 gc
 
   average revenue (selling to Trik): 19 gc
  
Line 112: Line 138:
 
   time to walk to School and mix: 4 sec = 4 gc
 
   time to walk to School and mix: 4 sec = 4 gc
 
   included cost for food: 1,8 gc
 
   included cost for food: 1,8 gc
 
+
 
 
   total cost: 27,8 gc
 
   total cost: 27,8 gc
  
Line 119: Line 145:
 
=== Crafting XP ===
 
=== Crafting XP ===
  
 +
Polishing Sapphires:
 +
 +
  cost for 1 raw sapphire:  3 gc
 +
  cost for 1 gem sander:  10 gc
 +
  cost for 1 water essence: 7,5
 +
  food:                    3 gc
 +
  time to mix:              3 gc
 +
 +
 +
  cost for making 1 polished sapphire:  26,5 gc
 +
  market price              23  gc
 +
 +
  exp gained: 60 XP -> 17 XP/gc
 +
 +
Or let's go the easy way here and check the [[Big Book of Crafting]]: at the NPC, it is 15kgc, you get 60 kXP for it. Thus, you get only 4 XP/gc this way. In other words, buy the book if you get it for 3500 gc or less.
  
 
=== Engineering XP ===
 
=== Engineering XP ===
 +
Let's first try ashes:
 +
 +
  cost for 1 FE:            3,5 gc
 +
  cost for 3 Wood branches: 1,5 gc (it takes 3 sec to harv 6 with cape)
 +
  time to mix:              1,5 gc
 +
 +
  cost for making 1 ashes:  6,5 gc
 +
  market price              4  gc
 +
 +
  exp gained: 5 XP (or less) -> less than 2 XP/gc
  
 +
We conclude that ashes are only good for starting engineering. If you need them later, try to buy them.
 +
Now we do the calculation for making saltpeter. Dung and ashes costs are calculated according to their market price.
  
 +
  cost for 5 dung:      5* 3  gc
 +
  cost for 2 ashes:    2* 4  gc
 +
  cost for food:          2,4 gc
 +
  time to buy and mix:    3  gc
 +
 +
  critical failure rate 5%
 +
 +
  cost for making 1 saltpetre: 30 gc
 +
  market value of product:    28 gc
 +
 +
  exp gained: 25 XP (12 XP/gc)
  
 
=== Tailoring XP ===
 
=== Tailoring XP ===
 
 
Tailoring is most likely the most expensive skill. Following the [[Beginners Guide to Tailoring|Guide to Tailoring]], you will spend roughly 90 kgc until you reach Level 23 (69 kXP). Thus, we have 0,77 XP/gc. Since the costs account only for ingredients, but not for the time you spend to mix them, the actual number is even lower.
 
Tailoring is most likely the most expensive skill. Following the [[Beginners Guide to Tailoring|Guide to Tailoring]], you will spend roughly 90 kgc until you reach Level 23 (69 kXP). Thus, we have 0,77 XP/gc. Since the costs account only for ingredients, but not for the time you spend to mix them, the actual number is even lower.
  
 
=== Ranging XP ===
 
=== Ranging XP ===
 
 
The following calculation assumes, that ranging is trained in the ranging area at Grubani Peninsula and a crossbow is used, ranging level around 20.
 
The following calculation assumes, that ranging is trained in the ranging area at Grubani Peninsula and a crossbow is used, ranging level around 20.
  
Line 135: Line 197:
 
   cost for arena ticket: 3500 gc
 
   cost for arena ticket: 3500 gc
 
   time to shoot 800 bolts: 2620 sec = 2620 gc
 
   time to shoot 800 bolts: 2620 sec = 2620 gc
 
+
 
 
   XP earned: 8000 XP (since not all bolts will hit)
 
   XP earned: 8000 XP (since not all bolts will hit)
  
Line 145: Line 207:
 
   time to shoot 160 arrows: 1000 sec = 1000 gc
 
   time to shoot 160 arrows: 1000 sec = 1000 gc
 
   revenue from rat DB: 400 gc (this deducts from the overall cost)
 
   revenue from rat DB: 400 gc (this deducts from the overall cost)
 
+
 
 
   XP earned: 1250 XP
 
   XP earned: 1250 XP
  
Line 152: Line 214:
 
This way we get 1250XP/2200gc, interestingly again 0,6 XP/gc or 1,2 XP/gc on special days.
 
This way we get 1250XP/2200gc, interestingly again 0,6 XP/gc or 1,2 XP/gc on special days.
  
== Comprehensive XP calculation roster ==
+
== Summary ==
 
+
Comprehensive XP calculation roster:
{|  
+
{| class="wikitable"
 
|-  
 
|-  
 
! Skill !! Task !! XP/gc
 
! Skill !! Task !! XP/gc
 
|-
 
|-
| Attack
+
| Potioning
| Polar bears
+
| SRs
| 23
+
| 76
 
|-
 
|-
 
| Defense
 
| Defense
 
| Polar bears
 
| Polar bears
 
| 46
 
| 46
 +
|-
 +
| Attack
 +
| Polar bears
 +
| 23
 
|-
 
|-
 
| Harvesting
 
| Harvesting
 
| Mullein
 
| Mullein
 
| 25
 
| 25
 +
|-
 +
| Crafting
 +
| Polished Sapphires
 +
| 17
 +
|-
 +
| Engineering
 +
| Saltpeter
 +
| 12
 +
|-
 +
| Magic
 +
| Life Drain
 +
| 3,4
 
|-
 
|-
 
| Manufacturing
 
| Manufacturing
 
| Leather Helmets
 
| Leather Helmets
 
| 5,6
 
| 5,6
 +
|-
 +
| Tailoring
 +
| White fabric, red+orange dye
 +
| 0,7
 
|-
 
|-
 
| Ranging
 
| Ranging
 
| Arena or IP cave rats
 
| Arena or IP cave rats
 
| 0,6
 
| 0,6
|-
 
| Tailoring
 
| White fabric, red+orange dye
 
| 0,7
 
 
|}
 
|}
  
1 second of your time accounts for 1 gc
+
We conclude that time is money (1 second of your time accounts roughly for 1 gc) and that XP has different cost for different skills. Fighting and harvesting XP is cheapest, while Raniging and Tailoring are the other extrem being very costly.
 +
 
 +
[[Category:Guides|Economics]]

Latest revision as of 21:43, 9 December 2011

This guide will explain the basics for analyzing the cost-effectiveness of producing and harvesting stuff in EL.

Time is money

Yes, it is. In EL you can convert time to money indirectly by harvesting stuff and selling it. One of the most efficient ways to do so is to harvest blue lupines in Portland and selling them at the flower shop. Depending on your harvesting level and maximum load you can make 3600 gc or even more in one hour.

That's why an EL second is worth at least 1 gc

Using the time/money equivalence you can assess any production plan. For example, does it pay off to harvest Cotton and make your own thread?

 Time to harvest 150 cotton (harv level 74, with excavator cape): 150 seconds
 Time to harvest a veg: 1 sec
 Time to mix 30 thread: 10 sec, result: 28 thread (2 crits) 
 
 Overall calculation: 161 sec for 28 thread

In the same time, we could have made 161 gcs from flowers to buy 80 thread!

But wait, what about the XP we get?

Experience vs. Money

Many items in EL sell less than the sum of their ingredients. This is because people make them for the XP. So can we express XP in time or money? Yes we can!

But first be aware that there are different types of XP, one for each skill. Some of them are more easy to get, like Att XP, Def XP, Alch XP, Harv XP, others such as Tail XP or Rang XP are very costly.

Note that the following calculations all heavily depend on assumptions of your levels. Therefore, most likely you will have to do a recalculation with your own values.

Fighting XP

This heavily depends on how much XP you can make in one hour and how valuable are the drops vs. your losses on degrades.

For a crude calculation, I assume I make 60 kXP in defense and 30 kXP in attack in one hour on polar bears and that the drops are 1k more worth than degrades/breaks.

Then we have:

 Time cost: 3600 sec = 3,6 kgc
 Drops - degrades =    1   kgc
 
 Cost per hour    =    2,6 kgc
 
 Att XP           =    30  kXP
 Def XP           =    60  kXP

If we split the costs by attack and defense, we arrive at 30kXP/1,3kgc = 23 XP/gc for attack and 46 XP/gc for defense.

Harvesting XP

Assuming Excavator Cloak and harvesting level of 75:

 Average harvest time of 1 mullein: 2,2 sec (minimum time is 2 sec, 10% more to consider events)
 Walk time for reselling 1 mullein:  0,2 sec
 Reselling in Irsis flower shop: 1 gc
 
 Total cost: 1,4 gc
 Base XP: 45 XP

32 XP per "gc" in harvesting when doing mullein! The gc value comes from the time loss when harvesting mullein instead of grinding gold via blu lupines. Try other harvests for different results, however in general, besides fighting, harvesting is the most cost-effective task.

An interesting aspect is that you can get a higher number if you harvest minor stuff, since the time loss is less. If you want to go for more harvesting XP, the efficiency drops as you consume more and more time for just a few XP.

Thus, from an economical point of view, one should not spend too much time with harvesting heavy stuff, if you can use the time better. This does not take into account that harvesting can be done while being (partly) afk. More afk time won't improve any other skill.

Alchemy XP

Magic XP

Using the good old shield spell:

Mana cost     8,25 gc (assuming that the cooldown duration is used for something else)
Ingredients   7    gc
Time cost     0,25 sec

Total cost   15,5  gc
Base XP      40    XP
XP/gc         2,6

or, as a better alternative, Life Drain (the time investment ist greater here because you must aim at your victim each time)

Mana cost     15 gc (assuming that the cooldown duration is used for something else)
Ingredients   15 gc
Time cost      5 sec

Total cost    35 gc
Base XP      120 XP
XP/gc         3,4

For both calculations I did not account for the time lost due to SR cooldown since I assumed this time is productively used for something (eg. harving or fighting)

Potioning XP

I tested making SR potions.

 Ingredients cost:
 100 bst             25 gc
  50 bqu             80 gc
  50 wine            38 gc
  50 vials          275 gc
  12 fps            168 gc
 Time spent 2:43    163 gc
 Total cost         749 gc
 Selling value of produced SRs 705gc
 

At this excellent market price, potioning XP almost comes for free: 76 XP/gc

Summoning XP

Manufacturing XP

Also, the ability to make XP in a particular skill depends what level you are. If you just started with manufacturing, you have to make your XP with fur scarfs, later you can do leather helmets.

 1 fox fur + 1 thread = 1 scarf
 
 Market cost of 1 fox fur: 8gc
 
 NPC cost of 1 thread: 2gc
 Mixing time: 1,75 sec = 1,75 gc
 Selling them (45 sec run for selling 180 fox scarfs): 0,25 gc
 
 Sell price of a scarf (NPC): 10gc
 

So, assuming no fails, we have 2gc deficit for 12 XP (base experience) - quite good. The problem is that fox furs are not that often offered in the market in bulk.

If we cannot go for fux furs, lets make leather helmets (I assumed a walk from VOTD store to Trik, carrying the ings for 100 helmets):

 3 leather + 4 thread = 1 helmet
 
 cost for 3 leather: 14 gc
 cost for 4 thread: 8 gc
 time to walk to Trik, mix and sell: 3,2 sec = 3,2 gc
 included cost for food: 1,8 gc
 
 critical failure rate 5% (at manufacturing level 39)
 
 average revenue (selling to Trik): 19 gc

So we spend 8 gc per helmet for 45 XP (base experience) which makes 5,6 XP/gc, roughly the same as with fox furs.

Let's try the manufacturing school in WS as an alternative:

 cost for 3 leather: 14 gc
 cost for 4 thread: 8 gc
 time to walk to School and mix: 4 sec = 4 gc
 included cost for food: 1,8 gc
 
 total cost: 27,8 gc

Assuming again a 5% critical failure rate, we get 90*0,95 base experience for 27,8 gc (135*0,95 XP on Day of Schools) which makes 3 XP/gc and 4,5 XP/gc on Day of Schools, respectively - still below the value of making business with Trik.

Crafting XP

Polishing Sapphires:

 cost for 1 raw sapphire:  3 gc
 cost for 1 gem sander:   10 gc
 cost for 1 water essence: 7,5
 food:                     3 gc
 time to mix:              3 gc


 cost for making 1 polished sapphire:  26,5 gc
 market price              23   gc

 exp gained: 60 XP -> 17 XP/gc

Or let's go the easy way here and check the Big Book of Crafting: at the NPC, it is 15kgc, you get 60 kXP for it. Thus, you get only 4 XP/gc this way. In other words, buy the book if you get it for 3500 gc or less.

Engineering XP

Let's first try ashes:

 cost for 1 FE:            3,5 gc
 cost for 3 Wood branches: 1,5 gc (it takes 3 sec to harv 6 with cape)
 time to mix:              1,5 gc

 cost for making 1 ashes:  6,5 gc
 market price              4   gc

 exp gained: 5 XP (or less) -> less than 2 XP/gc

We conclude that ashes are only good for starting engineering. If you need them later, try to buy them. Now we do the calculation for making saltpeter. Dung and ashes costs are calculated according to their market price.

 cost for 5 dung:      5* 3   gc
 cost for 2 ashes:     2* 4   gc
 cost for food:           2,4 gc
 time to buy and mix:     3   gc

 critical failure rate 5%

 cost for making 1 saltpetre: 30 gc
 market value of product:     28 gc

 exp gained: 25 XP (12 XP/gc)

Tailoring XP

Tailoring is most likely the most expensive skill. Following the Guide to Tailoring, you will spend roughly 90 kgc until you reach Level 23 (69 kXP). Thus, we have 0,77 XP/gc. Since the costs account only for ingredients, but not for the time you spend to mix them, the actual number is even lower.

Ranging XP

The following calculation assumes, that ranging is trained in the ranging area at Grubani Peninsula and a crossbow is used, ranging level around 20.

 cost for 800 bolts:    8000 gc
 cost for arena ticket: 3500 gc
 time to shoot 800 bolts: 2620 sec = 2620 gc
 
 XP earned: 8000 XP (since not all bolts will hit)

Thus, we get 0,6 XP/gc, on Robin Tell special day the double amount, 1,2 XP/gc.

Instead of arena, we can chose for the traditional way, I tried shooting rats in IP cave getting the following result:

 cost for 160 arrows: 1600 gc
 time to shoot 160 arrows: 1000 sec = 1000 gc
 revenue from rat DB: 400 gc (this deducts from the overall cost)
 
 XP earned: 1250 XP

Note that we need much more time here to shoot all arrows, since we have to re-aim at our targets all the time.

This way we get 1250XP/2200gc, interestingly again 0,6 XP/gc or 1,2 XP/gc on special days.

Summary

Comprehensive XP calculation roster:

Skill Task XP/gc
Potioning SRs 76
Defense Polar bears 46
Attack Polar bears 23
Harvesting Mullein 25
Crafting Polished Sapphires 17
Engineering Saltpeter 12
Magic Life Drain 3,4
Manufacturing Leather Helmets 5,6
Tailoring White fabric, red+orange dye 0,7
Ranging Arena or IP cave rats 0,6

We conclude that time is money (1 second of your time accounts roughly for 1 gc) and that XP has different cost for different skills. Fighting and harvesting XP is cheapest, while Raniging and Tailoring are the other extrem being very costly.