User talk:Ermabwed

Category:Books of Weapon Building

Re: your edit. I was making the [[Category:Books]] match up directly with [[Category:Skills]]. So that was why I was thinking that [[Category:Books of Weapon Building]] belongs as a subcategory of, and not directly in [[Category:Books]]. Thoughts? — MrDolomite • Talk 21:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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Well, to be honest, I can't quite follow you there (as in, I don't know what you are talking about). Books are no skills, however books are related to skills and thus one should be able to find them looking both in the books category and in the related skill's category. So basically this is a problem of both structure and making relevant information accessible where ever appropriate.

Let me add the general remark that after all is said and done, this is a wiki and while I assume that all of our contributors take pride in their work to some extent, I hope they all appreciate it when someone wants to improve it (Which is why I don't understand it when people think that guides are somehow tied to the original author). Sometimes the ideas and visions for pages or other aspects of the wiki will collide, which will hopefully lead to some discussion and a solution and an improved wiki as it may or may not have in this case ;-) If you have a different vision about how to categorize pages etc. I'd encourage you to draw a graph and put it up on forums, though as I indicated in the first sentence, I might have been totally talking at cross-purposes here (don't look at me, I looked that phrase up), so, just keep up the good work.

--Ermabwed 22:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

PS: If that looks like a lot of rambling, it's probably not too far from the truth, I place the blame in my first sentence though and offer a solution in last one.

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Suprisingly, I was able to follow most of that. :) Wiki categorizing is always a matter of interpretation, and you are correct, it is all about making info easily available to other people.

While there are always ways to group info, and in this case, it is very logical to put the Armor and Weapons building book info into their own groups. But instead of putting them into directly underneath [[Category:Books]], I thought it made more sense to put them underneath one of the "canon" subcategories, based on the skills. The same reason for putting [[Category:Mining books]] underneath [[Category:Harvesting books]] instead of directly under [[Category:Books]].

But, there's no reason to say they can't be in more than one spot, as everyone has their own logical layout of ideas and concepts. The important part is that it is out there to help folx who come looking for it.

It's too bad that Special:CategoryTree or the http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree doesn't exist on this wiki as it would make it easier to navigate and explain categorization. — MrDolomite • Talk 23:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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Ah, I guess I misunderstood your edit or the intent of it then at least partially. I thought you wanted to place them in the skill's category and the skill in the books category.

By the way, the only reason why the extension you mention above isn't yet installed, is that I want to look at related and other extensions and get the "best" for the purpose. I actually started to go through the extension list but was busy with other stuff so lost track of that "project". I guess this conversation gives me a good reason to take care of some other unfinished stuff around here as well (e.g. donations button went MIA with the update of MediaWiki).

If you would like to see a certain extension installed or a feature enabled/disabled, feel free to start a forum thread giving some details as to the why etc. Oh yea, and if someone could tell me what I need for the Template:!, I figured it somehow ties in with the ExpandTemplates template, but whether that is all I need and then create a template ! that gives | isn't clear to me...

--Ermabwed 10:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)